Skip to content
Search

Tyler, the Creator Has a Point About ‘Meme’ Musicians

Tyler, the Creator Has a Point About ‘Meme’ Musicians

On a newly released episode of the web series Mavericks with Mav Carter, Tyler, the Creator managed to stir up controversy from every corner of the rap internet. In a clip that’s circulated online all week, he tells host Maverick Carter that “There’s so many niggas out right now that aren’t musicians that are getting treated like musicians because they make meme records — publicly will be like, ‘I don’t give a fuck about music. I just do this shit for money.’”

The designation of “meme” records caught the ire of some who claimed many of Odd Future’s early releases could be considered meme records and others who saw the comments as proof that Tyler, who turned 33 this year, is becoming out of touch. In the same interview, Tyler went on to comment about a white rapper he’s been seeing online who he believed was doing a pastiche of Atlanta rap icons like Gucci Mane and Future. Many online have come to think Tyler was referring to Ian, the viral rapper with cosigns from the likes of Lil Yachty, whose appeal relies heavily on the dissonance between his look and sound.


Both of Tyler’s comments seemed to coalesce online as a rebuke of the current generation of rap musicians. Bu Thiam, Ian’s manager and the EVP of Columbia Records, posted a response to Tyler’s comments in a since-deleted Instagram Stories post last night: “i signed Ian & im from Atlanta. He sounds nothing like Gucci or future lol. It’s called influence,” he wrote. “But i never though I’d see the day where you become old & hate on the youth lol.”  It’s a frustrating defense and one that’s regularly deployed in this generation’s rap discourse (never mind that Bu, an industry veteran, is roughly a decade older than Tyler). Nobody wants to be called “old” and thus people refuse to engage critically with anything shiny and new, instead chalking it up to the amorphous and apparently unimpeachable notion of youth culture. 

Except, citing the whims of young people is almost always a red herring. “The idea that youth culture is culture created by youth is a myth. Youth culture is manufactured by people who are no longer young,” The New Yorker’s Louis Menand wrote in 2019, referring to his own generation of Baby Boomers. “When you are actually a young person, you can only consume what’s out there. It often becomes ‘your culture,’ but not because you made it.”

The distribution pathways that dominate the way today’s young people experience music — mediated by multibillion-dollar tech companies helmed, by and large, by old white men — are not a representation of the values of the younger generation, but rather the conditions they’re forced to operate within. Ian, or any viral superstar of this moment, is less a symbol of what moves young people and more a product of what works in an economic system that young people have no control over. The moment we’re living in could be described as one of “context collapse,” the flattening of multiple audiences into a single context. The endless “For You” feed, consuming any fleshy reality of modern culture and spitting back the bland, inoffensive background noise an entire generation has been conditioned to see as art.

Last month, shares of UMG fell 30 percent after the company announced a slowdown in streaming growth, marking the end of an era of what seemed like limitless expansion in the space. Thanks to deals made with tech giants like Spotify, YouTube, and Apple, much of the music industry’s success over the past decade has been tied to Silicon Valley. Now, avenues like A.I. and licensing artists’ catalogs for use on social platforms have brought the music industry even closer to the tech world, transforming its central product from a cultural concern to a technological one. In other words: Meme music.

None of this is surprising. By now, it’s no secret that viral success has become an essential part of any new musician’s marketing strategy. The flaw here, as Tyler rightly points out, is thinking that this has anything to do with music or artistry. And more often than not, those trying to sell the increasingly soulless music that proliferates on social platforms as part of this generation’s culture are members of the old guard who stand to profit off of them regardless.

More Stories

Queens of the Stone Age Cancel Remaining 2024 Shows After Josh Homme Surgery

Queens of the Stone Age Cancel Remaining 2024 Shows After Josh Homme Surgery

Queens of the Stone Age have canceled the remainder of their 2024 tour dates — including a string of North American shows and festival gigs scheduled for the fall — as Josh Homme continues his recovery from an unspecified surgery he underwent in July.

“QOTSA regret to announce the cancellation and/or postponement of all remaining 2024 shows. Josh has been given no choice but to prioritize his health and to receive essential medical care through the remainder of the year,” the band wrote on social media.

Keep ReadingShow less
Sabrina Carpenter Is Viscously Clever and Done With Love Triangles on ‘Short N’ Sweet’: 5 Takeaways

Sabrina Carpenter Is Viscously Clever and Done With Love Triangles on ‘Short N’ Sweet’: 5 Takeaways

After Sabrina Carpenter’s summer takeover with “Espresso” and “Please Please Please,” the anticipation for Short n’ Sweet was at an all-time high. On her sixth album, the pop singer keeps the surprises coming as she delivers a masterclass in clever songwriting and hops between R&B and folk-pop with ease. Carpenter writes about the frustration of modern-day romance, all the while cementing herself as a pop classic. Here’s everything we gathered from the new project.

Please Please Please Don’t Underestimate Her Humor

Carpenter gave us a glimpse of her humor on singles “Espresso” and “Please Please Please” — she’s working late because she’s a singer; ceiling fans are a pretty great invention! But no one could have guessed how downright hilarious she is on Short n’ Sweet, delivering sugary quips like “The Lord forgot my gay awakenin’” (“Slim Pickins”) and “How’s the weather in your mother’s basement?” (“Needless to Say”). She’s also adorably nerdy, fretting about grammar (“This boy doesn’t even know/The difference between ‘there,’ ‘their’ and ‘they are!’”) and getting Shakespearian (“Where art thou? Why not uponeth me?”). On “Juno,” she even takes a subject as serious as pregnancy and twists it into a charming pop culture reference for the ages: “If you love me right, then who knows?/I might let you make me Juno.” It’s official: Do not underestimate Ms. Carpenter’s pen. — A.M.

Keep ReadingShow less
RFK Jr. Suspends Campaign, Endorses Trump

RFK Jr. Suspends Campaign, Endorses Trump

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has suspended his 2024 presidential campaign, and according to a court filing in Pennsylvania on Friday will throw his weight behind former President Donald Trump.

Multiple news outlets reported on Wednesday that independent presidential candidate Robert Kennedy Jr. was planning to drop out of the race and endorse Trump. He clarified at an event in Arizona on Friday that he is not terminating his campaign, only suspending it, and that his name will remain on the ballot in non-battleground states. He said that if enough people still vote for him and Trump and Kamala Harris tie in the Electoral College, he could still wind up in the White House.

Keep ReadingShow less
The Chicks’ ‘Not Ready to Make Nice’ Has Somehow Become a MAGA Anthem on TikTok

The Chicks’ ‘Not Ready to Make Nice’ Has Somehow Become a MAGA Anthem on TikTok

One little funny/bizarre/horrifying thing about the internet is the way it offers up everything and, in doing so, makes it possible to strip anything of its history. But to paraphrase Kamala Harris, you didn’t just fall out of the coconut tree. “You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you” — wise words worth heeding, especially for all the Trump voters and conservatives making TikToks with the Chicks’ “Not Ready to Make Nice.”

Over the past month or so, “Not Ready to Make Nice” has become an unexpected MAGA anthem of sorts, meant to express a certain rage at liberals supposedly telling conservatives what to do all the time (the past few Supreme Court terms notwithstanding, apparently). Young women especially have taken the song as a way to push back against the possibility of Harris becoming the first female president. 

Keep ReadingShow less
Sabrina Carpenter, Myke Towers, Cash Cobain, and All the Songs You Need to Know This Week

Sabrina Carpenter, Myke Towers, Cash Cobain, and All the Songs You Need to Know This Week

Welcome to our weekly rundown of the best new music — featuring big new singles, key tracks from our favorite albums, and more. This week, Sabrina Carpenter delivers her long-awaited debut Short ‘n Sweet, Myke Towers switches lanes with the help of Peso Pluma, and Cash Cobain moves drill music forward with a crossover hit. Plus, new music from Lainey Wilson, Blink182, and Coldplay.

Sabrina Carpenter, ‘Taste” (YouTube)

Keep ReadingShow less